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[Ustulo]

The citizens who live under this flag have killed a ton of innocents, please ban the use of it.

 

[StTheo]

After remembering who the original poster is, I would like to say a few things. I was offended by your use of a confederate flag as an avatar (just as I would be if you had had a swastika as an avatar). I was offended by your shameless ignorance of history in your previous hate-filled thread. And I am sure as hell offended by your current avatar.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here, but I seriously doubt that you care about not offending other people. Take your hate somewhere else.

Spoiler: My post doesn't make as much sense now.

Admiral360: I should feel offended by your inappropriate avatar, but for some reason all that I feel is pity.​

 

[Mariolink42]

Well this thread was a shitstorm wasn't it

 

[Audi]

This flag is a part of American history. If it offends you, you need a TRUE history lesson.

It offends me and I'm not American.

 

[bbgunshot]

It offends me and I'm not American.

You are trying to be offended. As is everyone else.

 

[Audi]

You are trying to be offended. As is everyone else.

Nope. I just dislike something that, from my perspective as an unbiased kangaroofucker, seems to be a motif that supports stuff like slaves.

A good allegory for the Confederate Flag in an Australian context is the Eureka Flag. Although it may have originally represented something good, nowadays it's a relic. A vaguely discriminatory relic at that.

It also screams conservatism and "I really like guns."

I can be serious about it, but let's face it: you know it's not a good thing if some dude on the other side of the world recognizes it as a negative motif.

 

[Beaubonic]

In my opinion, if you're in the habit of displaying the confederate flag everywhere, you secretly, or openly, wish you still had slaves. There is just one reason I find it offensive. Yet I am in no way interested in banning it.

 

[Audi]

In my opinion, if you're in the habit of displaying the confederate flag everywhere, you secretly, or openly, wish you still had slaves. There is just one reason I find it offensive. Yet I am in no way interested in banning it.

Similarly, it's not a good look if you drive around in a car with the Confederate Flag on it, and Jersey Shore stickers...
Or if you drive around in a care with the Eureka Flag on it, and Ned Kelly stickers.

It's very bogan.

 

[ChibaMasato]

This seems to be similar to the occasional guests complaining about the Israel flag. Yeah, you don't agree with it, but is it gonna be removed? No. This is similar. Don't like the confederate/iraqi/communist/eureka flags? Too bad. They're allowed to be built. And here's why.

The confederate flag doesn't necessarily stand for slavery. It stands for a section of the US that broke away because it hated what the government was doing, in general. People still have pride knowing that once upon a time, their ancestors had the gall to stand up to one of the most powerful nations of that time for what they believed in.

Some people have pride as an Communist. They wouldn't have it any other way. Here in the US, many people are the same about democracy. In a way, they are similar, but both have black spots on their reputations. Does this mean remove them? No.

Spoiler

I have no idea what the Eureka flag was for, but I'm thinking perhaps there's a connection somewhere.

 

[Audi]

I have no idea what the Eureka flag was for, but I'm thinking perhaps there's a connection somewhere.

Not really.
The gist of its origin is basically a buncha miners who couldn't be stuffed paying taxes, and thus held a seige at a hotel.
And shit.

 

[ChibaMasato]

Not really.
The gist of its origin is basically a buncha miners who couldn't be stuffed paying taxes, and thus held a seige at a hotel.
And shit.

Slightly similar.

 

[StTheo]

This flag is a part of American history. If it offends you, you need a TRUE history lesson.

I never said that it wasn't a part of history. It represents a collection of like minded states that supported the unjustifiable abuse of human rights known as slavery. This collection of states, known as the Confederate States of America, illegally seceded from the rest of the United States of America due to a large variety of tensions. The most commonly shared trait among these former states was the legal status of slavery, leading them to call themselves the "slave holding states." After the war and the abolition of slavery, this title became an embarrassment to the newly readmitted states, leading to the current trend of avoiding slavery as a cause of the war. The hollowness of this trend was most evident with the Jim Crow laws, segregation, and the obvious racism observed within the deep south.

Also, that flag is as much a part of American history as the swastika: both a symbol of the enemies of the United States of America, and a shared lack of regard for the most basic human rights.

 

[Jyk7]

I don't check this section of the forums for a day and look what happens.

 

[NewspaperCrane]

I think the most offensive part of what we refer to as the "confederate flag" is not necessarily the national flag, though it was used as part of it.

[As framing for this next paragraph please imagine a picture of my avatar with an American Flag waving behind it]

It is the battle flag of another nation. If you're wandering around our country flying the battle flag of another country, I consider that an act of war. It should be well within my rights to pull out my musket and shoot on on the spot. But Alas, this is America and we have freedom of speech and such things. That at the end of the day, is what this is about. Here on Team9000 we have many people, from all Ethnicities, countries, and social status. If you want to display the Confederate battle flag, you are more than welcome to. I don't have to like it, I don't have to like you, but I do have to live with it. Because these are the principals I believe in. Freedom of speech is not limited to what I want you to hear. So display your flags.

Now, you have to realize, that this is a double edged sword. If you want us to accept your freedom of speech, you must accept that of others. When it comes down to people making hammer and sickle monuments, or walking around in Stalin skins, you need to be okay with this. Once again, I may not agree with those people who believe that communism is right, however they have every right to state that they do, and show that they do.

Now, you're probably raging about my little soap box about freedom of speech, while noticing that we censor Swastikas, as well as Hitler skins. We do this for two primary reasons:

1.) Does anyone who makes a swastika do it for any other reason than to troll? Honestly, people just make them to annoy others. The way blocks are laid out in minecraft it's an easy shape to make, the building style lends it's self well to it. It's childish, it's trolly, and frankly, it's stupid. But people do it anyway. Those are not the kind of people we want on our server.

2.) Team9000 does have members from Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

 

[Jazz007]

I believe I can sum this solution up, if others haven't already:

That is all.

 

[NewspaperCrane]

It was legal to separate from the USA.

That's debatable, and a good chunk of what the War was about.

 

[StTheo]

You are very wrong and why would you ever think of something so immorally disgusting? I never have and never will support slavery.


It was legal to separate from the USA.

Not according to the Supreme Court. Texas v. White. No state has the constitutional right of secession.

 

[NewspaperCrane]

Not according to the Supreme Court. Texas v. White. No state has the constitutional right of secession.

Watch your timeline. Texas V. White wasn't until 1869.

 

[StTheo]

Watch your timeline. Texas V. White wasn't until 1869.

I know that, but if it wasn't in the constitution in 1869, it wasn't there beforehand.

 

[NewspaperCrane]

I know that, but if it wasn't in the constitution in 1869, it wasn't there beforehand.

Unless they made an Ammendment, it's still not in the Constitution. However, legal precedent isn't retroactive.