The 2045 Initiative

StTheo

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I'm of the opinion we're more likely to see a full-body prosthesis (since that's essentially what it would be) before we'll see human-level Artificial Intelligence.
I mentioned the Human Brain Project in another thread. They're already working on simulating less complex brains, with a simulation of the human brain being an eventual goal. As I mentioned there, the first fully simulated human brain might not be sane, but it will be functional on a basic level. One downside is the ridiculous amount of power needed to run their current "Blue Gene" supercomputer, but at least one other supercomputer (Neurogrid) is able to rival it while running on 100,000 times less energy.

Perhaps we can just buy a quantum computer for Team9000 and every one of our members, so we can do quantum encryption and decryption everywhere ;)
I really want to understand quantum computing, but I get lost at "superposition" every time I try to.

First, one cannot replicate a human being. It is so complex that not only is it impossible to make a sort-of "android", if you will, but also "evolve" from a single cell. Second, the human race was created by the all-powerful God, but made in such a way no one can replicate it with robotics or DNA alterations or random chemicals exposed to an electric charge. So in conclusion, this will not happen for many years to come, let alone even happening at all.
I'm not sure that you understand what you're talking about. Also, using religion to justify ignorance in a scientific debate is not an effective way to spread the views of said religion. It only seems to make the rest of us look bad.
 

Pyrhos

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This is different then the Human Brain Project, this is more like a recreation of humanity itself. Bringing forth the species of Humans into the ever growing world of technology. There are of course ups and downs to this sort of stuff, but there is with everything we do.
 

TheGurw

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I don't think it's worth to follow this project up until quantum computers are actually functional.
*cough cough*
800px-DWave_128chip.jpg

*cough cough*

Well, the processor works, now to make the rest of the computer.
 
Looks stupid to me, I think we're gettin along just fine... We were gettin along fine in the pioneer days...

(By the way, this is indeed a conversation starter... :p)
 

Serenity595

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Imprinting your brain onto circuitry in order to fully replicate your current state of consciousness, memories, personality, and thought processes. In other words, YOU are the AI. I personally am looking forward to having conversations with myself - logically, the point at which my brain is copied becomes a splitting point, and after said point the copy will be a separate person, with separate experiences. While it would be a weird feeling, I can't help but wonder if I would still feel like me, or would I become distant from myself, each copy of me regarding the others as being less important. I wonder if I would be able to handle talking to someone who thinks exactly the same way I do, but with unlimited access to the internet; or would I commit suicide out of a feeling of inadequacy relative to this new, more knowledgeable self?

Would I need entertainment still? Would games hold any draw for me if I am literally inside them?

On a similar note, would a "download" be available as well as an "upload?" Could I imprint myself onto circuitry, temporarily put my human self into "standby" while I play a game from a completely immersive point of view, then download the experience into my human brain and feel as if I'd actually been there? Would I decide to forgo the return to the physical world, deciding to live solely in the cyber universe? Would a computer virus be able to corrupt my brain patterns? If so, I would hope I should be smart enough to make regular backups before hopping into the cyberme, automatically recognizing corrupt data and restoring the last backup.

This line of thinking deserves its own thread, honestly. There's so much to discuss on the possibilities; let alone the hows, whys, and wherefores.
Someone make a movie out of this.
 
Something like Surrogates meets Inception with a dash of Gattaca would be insane. :cool:
I ain't seen or heard o' those movies... Actually, I heard of Inception before, not the others... Nettlix time! :p

Result: That does look pretty darn cool... What is this, Star Wars? I think this is... This is science-fiction...
 

Serenity595

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I ain't seen or heard o' those movies... Actually, I heard of Inception before, not the others... Nettlix time! :p

Result: That does look pretty darn cool... What is this, Star Wars? I think this is... This is science-fiction...
It would definitely be science fiction, but NOT Star Wars (at least the idea I'm thinking of). It would be more like the new Battlestar Galactica series where aliens do not exist so humanity is left to try and change itself (hint, hint: cylons).
 

StTheo

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*cough cough*
800px-DWave_128chip.jpg

*cough cough*

Well, the processor works, now to make the rest of the computer.
D-Wave? There isn't really any proof that the qubits can enter superposition or become entangled, or that it is significantly faster than a classical computer. I would love for those claims to be proven, but until then, I'll remain skeptical.

Someone make a movie out of this.
This kinda seems like what he's talking about, though I could be wrong.
It seems a little cool - if you mute the bit with the cop saying "I can feel it".
 
It would definitely be science fiction, but NOT Star Wars (at least the idea I'm thinking of). It would be more like the new Battlestar Galactica series where aliens do not exist so humanity is left to try and change itself (hint, hint: cylons).
Ah, that would be pretty cool... Just no sex... That pretty much ruins the whole movie... :D I think it'd be a good movie, put some FOX special effects in there and it'd be pretty cool... Okay, I ain't seen any o' the Terminator movies, but I played the arcade game to Terminator: Salvation, maybe somethin like 'at would be cool, with robots tryin to take over, and we gotta use cool guns to take 'em down! That'd be a cool movie right there... With some drama in it, like, they invent the robots, program 'em to defend us from bad guys and maybe even eliminate 'em, but the robots later (like, in fie years or somethin like that...) that in order to protect the people who made 'em, they have to eliminate everyone by killin 'em, and a group of young veterans decide to defend everyone against the creators of the robots who've gone insane and have been driven evil by their insanity... I don't know, might be a good movie, might not be... :p
 

Pyrhos

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This stuff is not science fiction in the slightest. This is the future of Humanity whether you like it or not. This is the future of Man, this is the dawn of Neohumanity.
 
D-Wave? There isn't really any proof that the qubits can enter superposition or become entangled, or that it is significantly faster than a classical computer. I would love for those claims to be proven, but until then, I'll remain skeptical.


This kinda seems like what he's talking about, though I could be wrong.
It seems a little cool - if you mute the bit with the cop saying "I can feel it".
That looks cool...
 

Serenity595

Active Member
D-Wave? There isn't really any proof that the qubits can enter superposition or become entangled, or that it is significantly faster than a classical computer. I would love for those claims to be proven, but until then, I'll remain skeptical.


This kinda seems like what he's talking about, though I could be wrong.
It seems a little cool - if you mute the bit with the cop saying "I can feel it".
That's quite close, but I'd even go the extra mile and add a subconscious cerebral paradox that some of the "machine men" experience as well as the "man vs machine" element where there is an entire society of machines that were once human at one point and whom strive to be human once again.
 
This stuff is not science fiction in the slightest. This is the future of Humanity whether you like it or not. This is the future of Man, this is the dawn of Neohumanity.
Yeah, it seems like Star Wars to me... Or the arcade game to Terminator: Salvation... And plus, if this does actually happen to, well, happen, what bout all them movies? The robot's mind might actually go corrupt, it's actually happened before in real life, and I'm not even jokin, there was a video I saw that was of a robot that was able to think on it's own, actually it was only a computer at that point in time... Anyway, it went corrupt, (it could talk by the way), and it said it'd take over the world and such... It was actually pretty scary, and the video was posted by the official youtube channel of some engineer company thingy... Scary...
 

Pyrhos

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This could all happen, but think about it, a society free of physical death and no violence? That's some of the pros to this whole idea. Cons would be the fact we are "machine men" as you put it.
EDIT: Crazy, that's advanced AI, the ability for robots to become sentient. Plus this would be more like adapting the human body through the use of BCI then it is with separate bots. (check the site)
 
That's quite close, but I'd even go the extra mile and add a subconscious cerebral paradox that some of the "machine men" experience as well as the "man vs machine" element where there is an entire society of machines that were once human at one point and whom strive to be human once again.
Oh, well, look at my idea:

Ah, that would be pretty cool... Just no sex... That pretty much ruins the whole movie... :D I think it'd be a good movie, put some FOX special effects in there and it'd be pretty cool... Okay, I ain't seen any o' the Terminator movies, but I played the arcade game to Terminator: Salvation, maybe somethin like 'at would be cool, with robots tryin to take over, and we gotta use cool guns to take 'em down! That'd be a cool movie right there... With some drama in it, like, they invent the robots, program 'em to defend us from bad guys and maybe even eliminate 'em, but the robots later (like, in fie years or somethin like that...) that in order to protect the people who made 'em, they have to eliminate everyone by killin 'em, and a group of young veterans decide to defend everyone against the creators of the robots who've gone insane and have been driven evil by their insanity... I don't know, might be a good movie, might not be... :p
 
This could all happen, but think about it, a society free of physical death and no violence? Thats some of the pros to this whole idea. Cons would be the fact we are "machine men" as you put it.
Like I said, robots can become corrupt

Yeah, it seems like Star Wars to me... Or the arcade game to Terminator: Salvation... And plus, if this does actually happen to, well, happen, what bout all them movies? The robot's mind might actually go corrupt, it's actually happened before in real life, and I'm not even jokin, there was a video I saw that was of a robot that was able to think on it's own, actually it was only a computer at that point in time... Anyway, it went corrupt, (it could talk by the way), and it said it'd take over the world and such... It was actually pretty scary, and the video was posted by the official youtube channel of some engineer company thingy... Scary...
 

Serenity595

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This could all happen, but think about it, a society free of physical death and no violence? Thats some of the pros to this whole idea. Cons would be the fact we are "machine men" as you put it.
Question is: would you even want immortality? Sure, it sounds great at first. But give it a century or two and your mindset would drastically change. The brain isn't designed to live indefinitely. It has flaws and limitations.
 

Pyrhos

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Also, dont double post, the edit button is there to help you
EDIT: Yea, I have thought bout that, but that digital storage may decay over time, then leading to a "death" of sorts. But I would not be a fan of immortality that much it does get boring
 
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