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[Vincent2128]

So are we to sit by and let him kill millions more and teach people that they can get away with this? While the circumstances may be grim, the U.S. alone has had decades learning to fight against guerilla warfare, and while it is FAR from being perferfected, all this time spent in the middle east could be put to use in Africa to actually do something right, not something for money. When was the last time someone did something not because they wanted that giddy feeling of helping someone, not because they wanted the money, not because they wanted the fame, but simply because it is the right thing to do, and someone needs to step up and do the right thing. People won't act as an entity, they won't go out of their way to do what is right without someone to lead them, without someone to say "Hey, lets go out there and change people's lives, not to be nice, but because they NEED it." when was the last time people as a group stepped up and did something because others needed it? Almost never, and this group is the closest to ever being able to do something like this. They already have proof that standing up works, now it just takes us as a population, us as a human being to decide to get up and actually do something. Even as many, a single person in the group does not do much, but as a whole, a group can not accomplish anything. It takes everyone doing a small part for something big to happen.

Africa?
Much of Africa is in fact relatively stable. The situation in Western Sahara has been pretty much put under control, and it's not practical sending Marines into the jungles and highlands of the D.R. Congo or Sierra Leone. As for East Africa - The 'Black Hawk Down' incident certainly shows that local warlords can be just as dangerous as Al-Qaeda's domestic operations could be. (i.e. everything Al-Qaeda does that is not terrorism in the 'First World'). Attempting to deal with them would be just as difficult. Rwandan-Burundi genocide has been put under control by the U.N. already. Southern Sudan broke away relatively peacefully. Though there are news reports of skirmishes, kidnappings and related events, there has been no full-blown war between the new Sudans.

 

[Casey]

Right, and I never said it would be easy, just that this is a more just cause not in retaliation against someone who attacked us, not for money, nothing other than to help people.

 

[Zovator]

Watch it.

 

[David]

This is a thread I don't want to derail. Please.
Sometime next month I'm going to start putting posters in major cities

 

[JerzeyLegend]

RSMV, if someone abducted your family and said he would kill you if you went to look for him, would you stand by and do nothing?

 

[rsmv2you]

RSMV, if someone abducted your family and said he would kill you if you went to look for him, would you stand by and do nothing?

God I feel like I have no voice on these forums.

I said I do not support or am against this. Both lead to very dire consequences and honestly one could lead to us soldiers dying. Like Vincent and I said, it won't be easy. These guys are just as and or even more dangerous then al Qaeda. Also yes, this happens, this happpens in the world and I have a opinion and have a right to it. It's a neutral one and does not go for or what you stand for and "so what if your parents were killed and this and that" well they aren't and I am grateful I do not live in a place like that. You all can go make a terrorist famous, I am gonna sit and watch because by the deadline in the video that's all anyone supporting this will do.

 

[JerzeyLegend]

God I feel like I have no voice on these forums.

I said I do not support or am against this. Both lead to very dire consequences and honestly one could lead to us soldiers dying. Like Vincent and I said, it won't be easy. These guys are just as and or even more dangerous then al Qaeda. Also yes, this happens, this happpens in the world and I have a opinion and have a right to it. It's a neutral one and does not go for or what you stand for and "so what if your parents were killed and this and that" well they aren't and I am grateful I do not live in a place like that. You all can go make a terrorist famous, I am gonna sit and watch because by the deadline in the video that's all anyone supporting this will do.

No one is censoring you, so don't say "God, I feel like I have no voice...". We are simply trying to show you reason why you should support this.

You know what, if all they do by the end of 2012 is make him famous, they will be that much closer to their goal. What if we make him famous in 2012 and catch him in 2013? These deadlines given are goals, these people have a clear plan. Risky as this plan must be, action must be taken.

You know what though, lets just sit back and let him continue. Let him continue to separate families and kill innocent people, because it's too dangerous to go after him.

If we kept that mentality we wouldn't have gotten Osama or Sadam.

Awareness is key, RSMV. The man is right, for people to take action, they must know who he is. For everyone to know who he is, we must tell them. By watching/sharing you are advocating, and even if that's all you do, you would have helped them. You may share with 1 person, who shares with 6, who shares with 9001. That 9001th person, may be the person who can make the things that need to happen, happen.

So cut the shit, show a little compassion.

 

[rsmv2you]

Every time I show compassion on this forum I am given the "shit happens" attitude from people.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm leaving this thread cause I obviously have no reason to be here because I am not helping your cause so good luck.

 

[bobtheawesomeone]

Every time I show compassion on this forum I am given the "shit happens" attitude from people.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm leaving this thread cause I obviously have no reason to be here because I am not helping your cause so good luck.

I agree with you. you do have an opinion! people do need to stop giving you crap, but they are just trying to voice their opinion as well.

 

[Audi]

God I feel like I have no voice on these forums.

Massive amount of irony - *right there*.

 

[MagicForDummies]

Let's look at it more pragmatically.

LRA stops, infrastructure restored, and economy grows.

When economy is happy, people are happy.

 

[GreenEarth]

teach people that they can get away with this

They do get away with it. Rwanda, Darfur, Sarejevo, Armenia, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Cambodia and Bashar al-assad is getting away with it right now as we speak in Syria.This angers me greatly however it will not change any time soon. We (human beings) have not developed enough to act as a global force to police unjust leaders.

European countries wont do it, since half of them are in an economic crisis. The United States wont and hasn't done it, after World War II most of the conflicts (if not all) we have been involved in have been because of communism or the security of resources specifically oil. This does not mean it's not too late for our citizens to convince our country otherwise, however I don't see this happening any time soon. I would like it to happen, and I hope this enthusiasm is directed in the right direction.

RSMV, if someone abducted your family and said he would kill you if you went to look for him, would you stand by and do nothing?

This is not fair. You could say the same thing for all the other bad stuff that happens in the world. I think rsmv is trying to point out that every action has a reaction and sometimes we make things worse when we try to do good, and that sometimes you need to read in between the lines before supporting a cause, this policy is very relevant here as questions have been brought up about the integrity of the charity, and location of Kony. I also thoroughly do not like supporting the Ugandan Army or their government. The current president was not elected via fair elections rather through the use of the military, who btw, have a history of child soldiers. Not to mention we don't even know where this dude is. I think there needs to be more research by outside parties before everyone gets so excited.

Massive amount of irony - *right there*.

You are starting to piss me off. Negativity needs to gtfo this forum.

Let's look at it more pragmatically.

LRA stops, infrastructure restored, and economy grows.

When economy is happy, people are happy.

If it were only so simple. If the United States is having a hard time growing their economy, I doubt countries affected by Kony will do it so easily. I agree his death would only be a positive change though, if there aren't any major blow backs as a result.

 

[Vincent2128]

I agree his death would only be a positive change though, if there aren't any major blow backs as a result.

Civil War could be possible (you never know what Kony's lieutenants might be up to after his death), but the fact that he isn't the leader of a country already drastically reduces the possible consequences of Kony's death.

 

[StTheo]

1. Losing hope is an issue of getting older, which is why so many revolutions are led by young adults (they also have older people who decide to say "ah hell, I'll give it another chance" giving them their support).
2. Dictators have been replaced with dictators, murderers with murderers - this is true. But is it also true that the world of dictators and mass murderers is shrinking?

 

[Audi]

You are starting to piss me off. Negativity needs to gtfo this forum.

Not really negativity, but rather a barb at Rsmv, who I can comfortably say really doesn't give a shit what I say, and vice versa.

Calm le farm dude, no negativity here.

 

[GreenEarth]

Civil War could be possible (you never know what Kony's lieutenants might be up to after his death), but the fact that he isn't the leader of a country already drastically reduces the possible consequences of Kony's death.

Yeah, I think a lot of people have mistaken Kony as a leader of a country. There is a possibility somone would take power in place of Kony and maybe do more damage, if they are more ambitious and radical.

1. Losing hope is an issue of getting older, which is why so many revolutions are led by young adults (they also have older people who decide to say "ah hell, I'll give it another chance" giving them their support).
2. Dictators have been replaced with dictators, murderers with murderers - this is true. But is it also true that the world of dictators and mass murderers is shrinking?

It's not so much losing hope, but they have more to lose if their revolution is not successful. Their jobs, wealth, family maybe? Young people are more flexible, not tied down by the things that maybe older people would be. Older people can get pissed off, and they can act, not to mention they have way more exprience. Having exprience would lead them to weigh their options before standing up to a government and facing the consequences. The answer to your question is that the number of dictators is probably decreasing, however revolutions usually lead to an undesired effect. A void in power has to be filled with something, usually its not what the people want. Another corrupt and meany face leader.

Not really negativity, but rather a barb at Rsmv, who I can comfortably say really doesn't give a shit what I say, and vice versa.

Calm le farm dude, no negativity here.

k srry

 

[Vincent2128]

Dictators have been replaced with dictators, murderers with murderers - this is true. But is it also true that the world of dictators and mass murderers is shrinking?

No. At the end of the world, there are and will be people who prefer concentrated control over a democracy. There will also be people to assume those positions of control.

 

[Clayto1332]

I love how all the same people that are advocates for sending troops to Uganda are the same people that were against the war in Iraq etc... How is this any different? There is still the same speculation that the US government wants in to steal resources when it is really because of the injustice that is being done to these people.

 

[Melexiious]

Why don't we take all of our little problems... And PUSH them somewhere ELSE!

 

[GreenEarth]

I love how all the same people that are advocates for sending troops to Uganda are the same people that were against the war in Iraq etc... How is this any different? There is still the same speculation that the US government wants in to steal resources when it is really because of the injustice that is being done to these people.

They are different. The war on Iraq was blatantly not about the people. If it was, more time would have been spent planning the invasion. Many mistakes were made, which show that we were not serious about helping the people. First not enough troops were provided to maintain order, which led to the absence of martial law after the country was conquered. This is obvious by the incredible amount of looting that took place after the invasion, not to mention one of most important civilian sites was not protected by our military, the National Museum of Iraq, where Sumerian and Mesopotamian artifacts, from the freaking the cradle of civilization, were looted. Also disbanding all of Iraq's military entities was kind of dumb, as it left 500,000 men unemployed. This is a very good way to piss off a population. The list goes on. I also can't forget how Suni and Shiite conflicts immediatly flared up the moment we left, we have left that country in pieces. Military action in Uganda or other countries for the sole reason of catching one war criminal would be different, as we have previously not been involved with that war criminal as we had been with Saddam. Also the main resources of Uganda are copper, tungsten, cobalt, columbite-tantalite, gold, phosphate, iron ore, and limestone. Some oil has been found but not enough for the United States to be interested in.

As for Saddam here is a video (from the documentary, "Why We Fight") that sums in at all up pretty well, the volume is low you might have to turn it up.

EDIT: this is why all this new attention to Iran worries me greatly, I get the feeling our media is demonizing them to convince the people that they are the enemy or some shit like that, idk we'll see

Why don't we take all of our little problems... And PUSH them somewhere ELSE!

??? lolwut...