Xbox One

JerzeyLegend said:
The masses are going to go regardless, but building anticipation and saving it for E3 would have made it a much more worthwhile event. More newsworthy and feature filled.

It shouldn't be a bland expo of game releases. While we aren't the people who are going, everything is still for us anyway.
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All I'm saying is, microsoft doesn't care if E3 does well -- it's run by an independent third party who is entirely in it for the money. It's a convenient place for you to get a lot of media together, but if microsoft can host their own event to similar success, then they have no reason to do otherwise.
 
The Xbox One is not a gaming console,
It's a fancy TV remote.

...That can tell when you're scared.

The PS4 is looking pretty good as of now.
Look, there are good things about the Xbox One, but it's largely bad things, IMO.

Without sounding too frustrated or cliched, Microsoft are trying to be more casual. Partnerships with ESPN, more Kinect IPs, more entertainment and less games...
Microsoft is moving away from their core constituents - nerds, hardcore gamers, professionals, ect. - and trying to get jocks, kids and over-50's to use their products.

Hell, Windows 8 is a tabletified, watered-down experience designed for those who don't know or don't care about functionality...
The Xbox One is a continuation of this.

Money talks,
It always says goodbye
 
JerzeyLegend said:
Please elaborate. Although off topic, I want to hear this.
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I'll preface firstly by saying I don't have a high level of technical knowledge and a good 43.5% of the time I don't know what I'm talking about.

However, from my experiences of using Windows 8, on both regular PCs, tablets, and mobile devices, I don't like it. I don't like the way that it makes it harder for a user to access the more complex features of a system - instead, it wraps things up in boxes and weird names.

Sure, I'd consider myself a power user, but I think being able to see a desktop easily, for instance, is high on my list.

Even the blue screen of death is casualifed.

Windows 8 has advantages, sure. It's reasonably easy to use and the UI is smart-lookin'. For the majority of people it's all they need, but if you actually want to have a bit of control over your computer, it makes things hard.

There's an exception to every rule, of course. I'm aware there's programs and utilities and workarounds to get rid of those darn boxes and just have your regular ol' windows
but it just ain't the same

I'm speaking in superlatives. There's a definitive trend in the technology industry - hell, most consumer industries - to dumb things down and make them more accessible to the general public. Most of the time, this is a good thing; one can't be too elitist - but when we're talkin' computer technology or gaming or so on, you get a weird dynamic -

Since the birth of computer technology (and gaming, since they coincide and share the same audience), computers (and video games) have largely been enjoyed by what society would call "nerds" - intelligent, usually male, usually unathletic and poorly socialized individuals pubescent, NEET or whereabouts.

In recent years, as video games and computers have become more commonplace and easier to use, different people have started using them. You no longer need to be a dedicated, highly intelligent person to use a PC. Most anyone can use one. Most anyone has access to one.

Computers have gone from being military weapons to university experiments to a geek's hobby to a businessman's tool for success to a student's tool for assignments to a grandmother's tool for donkey porn and Facebook.

Video games have gone from being wooden boxes in a milk bar to plastic paddles in a basement to fun polygons on a screen to a way to have fun with your mates to a way to "tell a story" and to make money.

While accessibility is nominally good, it is not essentially good. Form and ease over function and power seems to be a catchcall nowadays, and it's all about money.

The Xbox One is indicative of this. While it looks good (to some, at least) and is easier to use for the regular pleb than ever before, it's really no more powerful or unique than anything before it.

/rant
 
Vorsprung said:
I'll preface firstly by saying I don't have a high level of technical knowledge and a good 43.5% of the time I don't know what I'm talking about.

However, from my experiences of using Windows 8, on both regular PCs, tablets, and mobile devices, I don't like it. I don't like the way that it makes it harder for a user to access the more complex features of a system - instead, it wraps things up in boxes and weird names.

Sure, I'd consider myself a power user, but I think being able to see a desktop easily, for instance, is high on my list.

Even the blue screen of death is casualifed.

Windows 8 has advantages, sure. It's reasonably easy to use and the UI is smart-lookin'. For the majority of people it's all they need, but if you actually want to have a bit of control over your computer, it makes things hard.

There's an exception to every rule, of course. I'm aware there's programs and utilities and workarounds to get rid of those darn boxes and just have your regular ol' windows
but it just ain't the same

I'm speaking in superlatives. There's a definitive trend in the technology industry - hell, most consumer industries - to dumb things down and make them more accessible to the general public. Most of the time, this is a good thing; one can't be too elitist - but when we're talkin' computer technology or gaming or so on, you get a weird dynamic -

Since the birth of computer technology (and gaming, since they coincide and share the same audience), computers (and video games) have largely been enjoyed by what society would call "nerds" - intelligent, usually male, usually unathletic and poorly socialized individuals pubescent, NEET or whereabouts.

In recent years, as video games and computers have become more commonplace and easier to use, different people have started using them. You no longer need to be a dedicated, highly intelligent person to use a PC. Most anyone can use one. Most anyone has access to one.

Computers have gone from being military weapons to university experiments to a geek's hobby to a businessman's tool for success to a student's tool for assignments to a grandmother's tool for donkey porn and Facebook.

Video games have gone from being wooden boxes in a milk bar to plastic paddles in a basement to fun polygons on a screen to a way to have fun with your mates to a way to "tell a story" and to make money.

While accessibility is nominally good, it is not essentially good. Form and ease over function and power seems to be a catchcall nowadays, and it's all about money.

The Xbox One is indicative of this. While it looks good (to some, at least) and is easier to use for the regular pleb than ever before, it's really no more powerful or unique than anything before it.

/rant
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*claps* Well said.

Doesn't stop me from getting one, but I agree. Except on the not as powerful thing. It's way more powerful than the 360.
 
Only thing I can say I hate is, all I saw in the reveal on twitch, they liked to refer to the one as a very powerful machine specs wise. It made me want to snap some necks.
 
Vorsprung said:
I'll preface firstly by saying I don't have a high level of technical knowledge and a good 43.5% of the time I don't know what I'm talking about.

However, from my experiences of using Windows 8, on both regular PCs, tablets, and mobile devices, I don't like it. I don't like the way that it makes it harder for a user to access the more complex features of a system - instead, it wraps things up in boxes and weird names.

Sure, I'd consider myself a power user, but I think being able to see a desktop easily, for instance, is high on my list.

Even the blue screen of death is casualifed.

Windows 8 has advantages, sure. It's reasonably easy to use and the UI is smart-lookin'. For the majority of people it's all they need, but if you actually want to have a bit of control over your computer, it makes things hard.

There's an exception to every rule, of course. I'm aware there's programs and utilities and workarounds to get rid of those darn boxes and just have your regular ol' windows
but it just ain't the same

I'm speaking in superlatives. There's a definitive trend in the technology industry - hell, most consumer industries - to dumb things down and make them more accessible to the general public. Most of the time, this is a good thing; one can't be too elitist - but when we're talkin' computer technology or gaming or so on, you get a weird dynamic -

Since the birth of computer technology (and gaming, since they coincide and share the same audience), computers (and video games) have largely been enjoyed by what society would call "nerds" - intelligent, usually male, usually unathletic and poorly socialized individuals pubescent, NEET or whereabouts.

In recent years, as video games and computers have become more commonplace and easier to use, different people have started using them. You no longer need to be a dedicated, highly intelligent person to use a PC. Most anyone can use one. Most anyone has access to one.

Computers have gone from being military weapons to university experiments to a geek's hobby to a businessman's tool for success to a student's tool for assignments to a grandmother's tool for donkey porn and Facebook.

Video games have gone from being wooden boxes in a milk bar to plastic paddles in a basement to fun polygons on a screen to a way to have fun with your mates to a way to "tell a story" and to make money.

While accessibility is nominally good, it is not essentially good. Form and ease over function and power seems to be a catchcall nowadays, and it's all about money.

The Xbox One is indicative of this. While it looks good (to some, at least) and is easier to use for the regular pleb than ever before, it's really no more powerful or unique than anything before it.

/rant
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The Windows 8 thing. It's merely metro UI, and I just about never see it. I installed Start8 and it's not different than Windows 7. Faster startup times, more information in Task Manager, more information (and pauses) during file transfers. Everyone think Metro UI is the heart of Windows 8. It isn't. It's merely a feature. I can say my Windows 8 experience is equal to or greater than Windows 7.

Now, while companies make these things more accessible or "dumb them down" they never make the entire system like that. While XBox One may have a silly looking UI, or have Kinect for the kids, in it's core, it does what we want it to do.. play badass next gen games. It's just in a more "user friendly" wrapper. We geeks, nerds, hobbyist, whatever have you always find a way to make it our own, and to make it do what we need to do.

Honestly, these companies can't really cater to us. They have to cater to the general population. From my viewpoint, hardcore gamers only make up about 40% of the gaming market (That's not an actual statistic, I'm just making up general numbers), while casual gamers make up 60%. That's why these things are going in the direction they are going. They want to get more people in front of these boxes, so they increase accessibility. Do they dumb down our devices? No. They just dumb down the front end. Under the hood, it's still more powerful, just as we want.

I have a feeling XBox will not disappoint. Once it catches stride, it will be an awesome system, just like BOTH of it's predecessors.
 
I just want answers. I want a microsft official to sit down and interview some trusted gaming whatever and just go over everything that is spreading around cause the longer they wait the more it seems to be hurting Microsoft pr wise. And the thing is with the ips that will be released its not confirmed that any more crucial info about the Xbox one will be released, they can only confirm or deny any of the rumors and if neither is done and they just dodge questions/ give more vague answers then it will just be worse for them. Also even if after e3 and we are still left with these questions and nothing is answered I don't know how Microsoft can save the Xbox one pr wise.

Hopefully the reveal was just the entertainment/features reveal and they will reveal more game related features alongside the ips. If they don't I don't know what to think of the Xbox one.
 
Harcore users only make up a very small segment of these markets, but they are vocal, and they are big spenders. It is, again, a "weird dynamic".

If most of the population were dedicated enthusiasts we wouldn't be seeing the Xbox One, but it is so.
 
Vorsprung said:
Harcore users only make up a very small segment of these markets, but they are vocal, and they are big spenders. It is, again, a "weird dynamic".

If most of the population were dedicated enthusiasts we wouldn't be seeing the Xbox One, but it is so.
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You are absolutely right.
 
rsmv2you said:
I just want answers. I want a microsft official to sit down and interview some trusted gaming whatever and just go over everything that is spreading around cause the longer they wait the more it seems to be hurting Microsoft pr wise. And the thing is with the ips that will be released its not confirmed that any more crucial info about the Xbox one will be released, they can only confirm or deny any of the rumors and if neither is done and they just dodge questions/ give more vague answers then it will just be worse for them. Also even if after e3 and we are still left with these questions and nothing is answered I don't know how Microsoft can save the Xbox one pr wise.

Hopefully the reveal was just the entertainment/features reveal and they will reveal more game related features alongside the ips. If they don't I don't know what to think of the Xbox one.
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Yes. E3 I imagine will be full of game filled reveals. Once the E3 exhibition is done, I imagine Microsoft will then go into full disclosure.
 
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